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Re: Mistakes in the user guide

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D.T. Nethery wrote: 31 Dec 2022, 13:46But there is no Video Output panel (this was removed several versions ago, at least on the Mac version. Does it still exist on Windows version ?)
It still exists on Windows, yes.
We will update the documentation regarding this, and the Panning tool keyboard shortcuts.
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Re: Mistakes in the user guide

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Re-reading an old topic regarding the KeyFramer tool I am reminded that these keyboard shortcuts are very handy for using the Keyframer:

CTRL LMB moves pivot offset (pivot remains in place)
CTRL RMB will change the z-value ( which is something else then scaling)
SHIFT LMB adjusts the Heading and Pitch.
SHIFT RMB would Bank it (change the Angle)

These keyboard shortcuts are not mentioned in the User Guide in the section on Using the Keyframer https://www.tvpaint.com/doc/tvp11/index ... -keyframer , nor in the video tutorial on the Keyframer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZhzTo4hOgo , but should be added to the User Guide (and any updated video tutorials that are planned)

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Re: Mistakes in the user guide

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I hope no one minds if I bring up a suggestion for the User Guide that I previously posted in this thread.. I still think this is worth adding to the User Guide. Believe it or not , some people still like to animate on paper or at least sketch out some drawings on paper , then scan the drawings to import into TVPaint. It doesn't have to be for animation. It could be a single image drawn on paper that the user wants to scan and then color it in TVPaint.

This is not a "mistake" as such in the User Guide, but is a suggestion for expanding on the explanation of one of the Color FX in the FX Stack: the Black & White Converter .

This is how it currently appears in the User Guide: https://www.tvpaint.com/doc/tvp11/index ... lack-white

Looking at this page most animators are going to immediately move on to the next page without really understanding how this Black & White Converter effect could be useful to them.

My suggestion is to explain in more detail how this effect can be applied to scanned animation drawings which have either red or blue or green under-drawing , and the user wants to drop out the red, blue, or green lines, leaving only the black lines. Red or blue tend to be the most commonly used colors for the underdrawing in animation and also comics.

It should be explained more clearly how the Red , Green, Blue Channels in the Black & White Converter function similarly to how the "Channels" tab in Photoshop functions , because many users are more familiar with Photoshop and they don't know if TVPaint has the same or similar functions in every case.

Here is an example of what I am proposing should be demonstrated in the User Manual regarding Black & White Converter RGB channel adjustments. (a video tutorial would also be useful).

Let us say the user has drawn their animation on paper , using red pencil as the underdrawing for construction of the rough drawing, then knocking down the red lines using a kneaded eraser, cleaning-up on top of the red pencil lines with black pencil. When the drawings are scanned if a red channel filter is not used during the scanning , then the red lines will need to be removed when the drawings are imported into TVPaint.

This is easily accomplished by using the Black and White Converter (along with a combination of the Scan Cleaner Black and White , and optionally the Anti-Aliasing in the FX Stack).


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TVPaint_scanned_drawings_need_cleaning.png
(for the demonstration I used the girl from "Journey Through Creativity")


TVPaint_FX_Stack_to_clean_scanned_drawings.png

TVPaint_Black_White_Converter_settings.png
(obviously, if the colored pencil lines are blue pencil or green pencil, use the blue or green channel set to 255
and the other two channels set to 0)



I was reminded of the need to add this explanation to the User Guide because I had the experience of explaining this process to an associate who was new to TVPaint and was unaware that this function was possible in TVPaint , so he was laboriously importing all his scanned drawings to Photoshop first ,creating a Photoshop Action to remove the red channel , then importing the drawings into TVPaint for Scan Cleaning , Peg Hole Registration, and Coloring. When I showed him there was no need to go through Photoshop first, he could do all of this easily in TVPaint, he was very happy to know about it , but remarked that he would never have understood he could remove the red lines (or blue lines , or green lines) from reading the section on the Black and White Converter in the User Guide. There is a perception among some people that TVPaint tends to "hide" information from the user that could be presented in a clear, upfront manner, instead of assuming that another more experienced user will enlighten the new user or that the new user may accidentally stumble upon the information themselves by trial & error.

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Re: Mistakes in the user guide

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D.T. Nethery wrote: 25 Feb 2023, 20:30 Image
(obviously, if the colored pencil lines are blue pencil or green pencil, use the blue or green channel set to 255
and the other two channels set to 0)

This is a very useful technique, thank you.
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I may have suggestions regarding the display of the documentation, to make it more adaptable to screen sizes (specially small screens) and subsequently maybe more practical to consult.

My suggestions would be:
  • a bigger font
  • the main body text of the documentation to adapt to smaller screens
  • the images to also adapt to smaller screens
here is an example of how it could look like:
Documentation responsive design.mp4
(15.59 MiB) Downloaded 23 times
this is how it looks at the moment:
Documentation not responsive design.jpg
Also, when on smaller screens, the main menu could maybe be in the form of a so called 'Hamburger menu', for example. Here is somebody's demonstration of a Hamburger menu.

Toon Boom's documentation on a small screen has the main menu sliding from the side, with each sub sections also sliding from the side, taking over the previous menu. It makes it still practical to navigate a large menu.

It's the same idea with Open Toonz's documentation or Krita's documentation, for example.
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